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March 7, 2008 - 7:46am.
There's another wrinkle in the Florida and Michigan primary circus that has not (yet) been widely reported. The Democrats in Michigan control both houses of their legislature as well as their Governorship. These politicians knew full well that passing a law to jump their primary ahead of others would result in the consequences they and their consituency in Michigan have now reaped from the Democratic National Committee. In that case, the people of Michigan ought to be bringing impeachment charges against their own Democratic-controlled legislature and Governor for their "disenfranchisement", NOT anyone at the national level. The voters of Michigan (or more correctly, the legislature and Governor they elected) clearly did this to themselves. However, in Florida, BOTH the legislature AND the Governorship (Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb Bush) were in REPUBLICAN hands. And the law they passed (and that Mr. Bush signed) to move their primary forward was passed by a REPUBLICAN controlled legislature there. In essence, the Democrats in Florida were simply outmaneuvered and outvoted on the issue. Such political chicanery amounts to little more than "dirty tricks" and if anyone should be paying for a "do over" primary in Florida, it should be the REPUBLICAN National Committee, NOT the Democrats. The bottom line here is that these two issues should NOT be lumped together and thought of as one. That's because they've been created by two sets of totally different circumstances by two legislative bodies controlled by two completely different political parties.
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You have your information
Submitted by moreyhill on March 7, 2008 - 11:36am.You have your information wrong.
Here in Michigan, our State Senate is runned by the Republicans.... just wanted to let you know.
KM
Thanks for the heads
Submitted by keith on March 7, 2008 - 6:20pm.Thanks for the heads up.
But, the result was the same. The Democratic majority in the House and the Democratic Governor in Michigan voted for the change.
I understand your notion of
Submitted by 33rdSt on March 7, 2008 - 10:54pm.I understand your notion of difference. But the fact remains that the Democrats in Florida supported/sanctioned/endorsed the primary. They could have all stayed home. They could have held a caucus instead. They had options. They chose to go along with the GOP for reasons of their own. Let's not put the whole burden of blame on Republicans.
Primaries should be the
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 8, 2008 - 1:31am.Primaries should be the business of the parties, not the state governments. The entire expense - original vote, recount(s) and/or revoting should be paid for entirely by the parties, not by public funds. In fact, I do not even see it as the business of the state to tell a political party - a private organization - when it may hold a vote or any other political function not directly related to the real election of public officers.
As to Michigan, the state legislature, which - at least in theory - serves the interest of all its citizens and not just Democrats; therefore, the legislature has not committed any act of treason except in the eyes of the DNC. Democrats were free not to vote, to have made the state-mandated primary date a hollow joke.
Same thing with Florida, the legislature is not bound to follow an ukase issued by either political party. The non-Democratic voters of the state do not owe the DNC or the state Democratic party the price of a rerun.
In fairness - and this is strictly a personal feeling - the two states should probably be revoted, since not all candidates were represented; the state. However, if the DNC and/or either state party is too poor or too cheap to do so, then "let them eat cake!" as Marie Antionette advised. Perhaps the DNC should have thought through the penalty phase a bit more before creating a first-class clusterphuque that is bound to jump up and bite them.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle
Looks like I stirred up a
Submitted by keith on March 8, 2008 - 10:21am.Looks like I stirred up a hornet's nest. And everyone has shared some excellent points.
While we are discussing who might be to blame for the mess the Democrats now face in Michigan and Florida, I think it is important to remember that, prior 1910, there was no such thing as a "Presidential Primary" as we've come to know them in the United States.
What's more, there's no provision in our Constitution that mandates the we absolutely must have them.
As Wikidpedia notes:
Clearly, a lot of the mess the Democrats now find themselves in with their nominating process is a direct result of their obsession with making sure all popular factions of their constituency are somehow proportionally "represented". Maybe the answer is a simple return to state conventions that select delegates by "the local party bosses" to attend the national convention.
As I've noted in other posts, Canada has always done it this way. At both the federal and provincial level in Canada, each party gathers periodically in a convention to select a leader who then represents that party going forward. If, during the next election, that party happens to garner the most seats in Parliament, then that person becomes the Prime Minister (if it's a federal election) or the Premier (if it's a provincial election).
Likewise, local Members of Parliament are chosen by each party running candidates for election in each "riding" (what we would call a district) all without direct voter input. So, come election time, Canadians are given a ballot containing names of candidates that each party has already chosen to run for election in that riding.
All in all, the Canadian system, while being somewhat less "democratic", is a far simpler, quicker and CHEAPER way to select its national and provincial leadership than the convoluted, three year long, billion dollar morass we have now created for ourselves here in the United States.
I agree: There is no
Submitted by Flapsaddle on March 8, 2008 - 11:31pm.I agree: There is no constitutional obligation to hold a presidential primary. The parties should be able to exercise their God-given right to behave as stupidly as they wish and conjure up whatever nomination algorithm melts their butter.
I believe that the state's obligation is to provide something like the following:
1. The cost of any and all nomination processes for a party shall be born exclusively by the said political party or the individual(s) seeking such office(s), to include all costs associated with holding any election thereunto applying, and
2. The responsible official of each party submitting one or more candidates for an office to be chosen by the general election shall transmit the name(s) of said nominees(s) to the Secretary of State of [state name] not less than sixty (60) days prior to the date of the general election in order to assure adequate time to prepare and distribute ballots for the general election, and
3. All ballots for a general election shall contain a "write-in" space for each office wherein a candidate is nominated, and the voter may use this to vote for any qualified person not nominated.
Most sincerely,
T. J. Flapsaddle