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February 15, 2008 - 8:49am.

Mr. Bush is now browbeating the US Congress to grant immunity from prosecution to various private wireless telephone companies that he and his ruling Cabal have forced into setting up wireless wiretaps to do their bidding. Any way you cut it, a grant of immunity would now enable Mr. Bush to use these companies to keep spying on his own citizens.

However, what he and his minions continually (and conveniently) fail to also mention in these proceedings is that if what they were forcing these private companies to do wasn't so blatantly unconstitutional in the first place, there wouldn't be any need to grant them "immunity" from prosecution.

Fortunately, the shrill cries we are now hearing from Mr. Bush over such issues (and the Congress' steadfast refusal to grant him Carte Blanche in the matter) are yet another indication that his grand strategy for world domination is starting to crash down around his ears. More and more true patriots…like his once proud Secretary of State, General Colin Powell…are no longer buying into such "Gestapo-like" tactics and are now speaking out against him in public. For a senior, retired military man with such solid, patriotic credentials and proud record of service to now do so speaks volumes.

In light of this most recent (and breathtaking) grab at our guaranteed constitutional freedoms, Mr. Bush's attempts to also re-write the precepts of habeas corpus (not to mention the Geneva Conventions) are not at all surprising. In fact, they are right in line with his assertion that the US Constitution is just a "godddamed piece of paper". That is, if losing our moral high ground is now "flawed logic" then all that right to privacy and right to due process under law stuff for all those in our custody under our Constitution is probably "flawed logic" as well.

Freedom of the press USED to also be guaranteed by our Bill or Rights. The first amendment to that document clearly states, in part that, "Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Clearly, such unbounded freedom and unfettered access to the inner workings of government is an absolute anathema to despots and dictators. So, why is anyone surprised that our "Prevaricator-in-Chief" is now increasingly barring access to reporters (and feeding them half-truths) when they attempt to report the truth on such matters?

Certainly, our founding fathers never dreamed of the world we now live in and the challenges we now face when they wrote our Constitution. I'm sure those same founding fathers (many of whom previously signed the Declaration of Independence) were also considered "terrorists" to the King of England. But we've now been taught to believe that our "terrorists" of that day were somehow different. To us, they were "patriots". But, just like many of the so-called "terrorists" we now face, our own founding fathers back then were also trying to rid their homeland of an occupying army.

Unfortunately the REAL reason Mr. Bush feels the need to tap all of our telephones without a warrant (and also has squadrons of fighter aircraft standing at the ready to shoot down airliners full of civilians over our homeland) is because his (and by association, your and my) collective actions on the world stage have now fomented a burning hatred toward our country among many other peoples of the world.

Or, to put it another way, these people don't hate us for who we are, they hate us for what we do.

As a result, we now have little choice but to abandon our long-sacred precepts of personal privacy and due process under law to "homeland security". And, unfortunately, by doing so, Mr. Bush and his ilk have also now turned our once free nation into an armed camp.

I'm firmly convinced that if the United States hadn't been gallivanting all around the world in the last few decades to invade and then occupy other sovereign nations at will to "further our national interests" (at the obvious expense of theirs) then there might now be little or no need for their citizens to resort to terrorism to try and get us to leave. And there would also be absolutely no need for our government to spy on our own citizens to find (and then illegally detain) those among us who advocate such things.

The people whom we now loosely label "terrorists" usually have no standing armies. They have no squadrons of fighter planes, or tanks or howitzers or aircraft carriers or atomic weapons. So, quite naturally, they are now resorting to the only weapon (terrorism) they currently have at their disposal that, in their minds at least, has even a remote chance of being effective in forcing us to leave their homelands.

All too often we (and those governments we underwrite in the region, such as the Government of Israel) are viewed illegal occupiers of what a large segment of the world's population now firmly believe are other nation's sovereign territories. And, it would now appear that, at least for the moment (and despite all of the high-tech hardware that we are throwing into the fray to "secure" such places as Iraq and Afghanistan) these "terrorists" (patriots?) seem to at least be holding their own against us.

Yes, Mr. President, I agree that we ARE in a different world! But, sadly, I believe it is a world that, to a large extent, our (and your) own imperial ambitions have largely created.

We have apparently not yet learned that invading another's sovereign territory to force our own style of "Christian democracy" down people's throats with a gun pointed at their head simply doesn’t work. And then we have the audacity to compound the problem by arrogantly wondering why such people then feel the need to fight back to get us to leave.

Terrorism is a symptom. Imperialism is the problem…OUR imperialism. Pogo was absolutely right…. we HAVE "met the enemy and he is us".

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Keith, Consider this a mild

Keith,

Consider this a mild exception to your early statement that the telephone companies were somehow "forced" into collaboration with the administration in releasing our phone records for warrantless searches. Not so! The telcos didn't even ask for the fig leaf of a subpoena to cover themselves, which is why I argue adamantly against immunity for their actions.

The big guys out there -- Verizon, AT&T, Qwest, Level 3, etc., and et al -- are large multinational corporations (MNCs) who have steadily moved away from providing domestic services to being global integrators solely interested providing integrated infrastructure to the Exxons, Glaxo-Smith Klines, and Credit Suisses of the world.

Their hand-in-glove relationships with other MNCs is what particularly strips them of their rights to be considered "good corporate citizens" in seeking shelter for their illegal behavior.

The House of Representatives is on absolutely solid ground in denying these operators immunity for breaking the law, and the American people are beginning to understand that as the issue plays out. The telcos broke their own corporate policies by providing user information without otherwise advising their customers. They are in open violation of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-104, 110 Stat. 56) requiring regulated telecommunications entities to maintain the confidentiality of their customer's records; and they are absolutely at odds with the Constitution and in particular the Bill of Rights that not only guarantees us freedom of expression, but also freedom from unwarranted governmental intrusions and compulsory self-incrimination.

Had the industry taken a public stand against these federal intrusions and then been compelled to do so there would be little we could do or say to prevent their immunization. But in that their actions were an abject capitulation -- or more likely an attempt to curry favor -- to an out of control administration, they must be held fully accountable for their actions in US courts.

The telcos are not victims, and the House needs to stick to its guns and tell this community of interests not simply "no," but "Hell no!"

ADB

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Thank you, ADB, for shedding

Thank you, ADB, for shedding some more light on this critical issue by way of your thoughtful and reasoned response.

However, regardless of how "global" these telecoms have become, those facts still don't justify (nor excuse) what the US Government is trying to do to (and with) them.

Or, to put it another way, whether or not these corporations were "willing cc-conspirators" in all this is absolutely beside the point.

The fact remains that private corporations should NEVER be put into a situation where their own government either condones (or demands) such blatantly illegal corporate actions that are in direct violation of the Constitution of the United States and our telecommunications laws.

Just like in the military, such "don't ask, don't tell" foolishness can only support such blatantly unconstitutional activity for just so long. And, judging from the excrement that is now hitting the fan down in Washington, it would appear that the President's "chickens" are now "coming home to roost" on the subject.

Which is absolutely as it should be.

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I think you need to

I think you need to consider, too, the climate in which this occurred. We forget that sentiments were different there for a few years following the attacks of 9/11. We were being told that it was "a new reality" and even those of us who didn't want to believe it had to take that seriously.

It was an extraordinary time of extraordinary circumstance, and so I think some leeway must be extended to all -- from the government right down to individual opinion. But we've had a chance to right ourselves after that tumble now, and now we need to be clear-eyed about what happened then and what we need to do to right ourselves now and prevent it from happening again.

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Both of you guys are

Both of you guys are correct... Congress needs to put a stop to it. I posted this on another blog... but it bears repeating:

Congressman Silvestre Reyes, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, has sent a wonderful letter to President Bush (on Reyes website) outlining all the ways intelligence gathering is NOT diminished by retroactive immunity for telecoms and all the ways current law provides for anti-terrorism. He's not my Rep or from my state, but I called Rep Reyes' office and thanked him for the leadership he is showing in not bowing to Bush's threats. My call was very welcome and yours would be too. (202-225-4831)

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Certainly, our founding

Certainly, our founding fathers never dreamed of the world we now live in and the challenges we now face when they wrote our Constitution. I'm sure those same founding fathers (many of whom previously signed the Declaration of Independence) were also considered "terrorists" to the King of England. But we've now been taught to believe that our "terrorists" of that day were somehow different. To us, they were "patriots". But, just like many of the so-called "terrorists" we now face, our own founding fathers back then were also trying to rid their homeland of an occupying army.

Man!

Truer words were never spoken.

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There was no occupying army.

There was no occupying army. Just oppression from across the Atlantic.

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There was no occupying army.

There was no occupying army. Just oppression from across the Atlantic.

I humbly beg to differ.

Paul Revere's various rides (yes, there were more than one) were all about the British regulars marching en masse to perpetrate some dastardly deed against the colonists.

In his first ride (to Portsmouth, NH) they were on their way to pick up gunpowder from Fort William and Mary at Newcastle to use against the uprisings of colonists against the Crown at Boston. His second ride was to Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts to warn the colonists that a regiment of British regulars were marching in their direction, again with the intent to quell various uprisings. And during that entire period, the Colonists were forced to actually quarter British troops in their homes.

What's more, the entire American Revolution was fought with British troops on American soil (not the other way around). The British Army was, in every definition of the word, an "occupying army".

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And let's not forget the

And let's not forget the Hessian mercenaries.

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Hi Keith - Actually, there

Hi Keith -

Actually, there wasn't much of a British Army presence in the colonies until about the start of the war. Britain had regarded most colonists as, and - importantly - many were, loyalists, and this fact had led the British to believe before and early into the pre-war revolt that not much force was needed. Only when the "revolutionaries" began to rise up did the army begin to arrive in larger numbers. Even then, the vast expanse of the colonies was essentially free of British troops. As a matter of perspective, one might (and I'm sure the British did) think of the early outposts and home-quartered troops as "protectors and peacekeepers" in their colonial dominion. Our historical accounts notwithstanding, I suspect it was mostly the loyalists who housed those regulars. The British Navy was well ensconced and very active along the eastern seaboard, but the bulk of the army didn't really arrive until 1775, when the revolution had actually begun, i.e., the start of the war. The British army troops, as well as their hired minions, were then an "invading" army, since there now existed a self-declared "foreign" country to battle. (Yes, the formal declaration came in 1776.) Perhaps it's only a matter of semantics.

Interestingly, it seems to me, the British Army at that time numbered less than 40,000 worldwide - spread throughout the empire.

Also, while our own status in Iraq is clear, I wonder if we are considered as occupiers of Britain, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Phillipines, Cuba, etc., because of the military presence we maintain in those countries. And Puerto Rico? - that may be more analogous. I think we would claim we are providing protection and keeping the peace in all those places. Cheers.

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Do a Google search for NSA

Do a Google search for NSA and Black Room. This isn't about a few illegal wiretaps of some suspected terrorists. This is about millions of illegal wiretaps on you and me. I can't remember if the fine was a $1,000 or $10,000 but when you multiply it by all of the illegal wiretaps of the 300,000,000 citizens per each occurrence it comes out to some real money.

If the government is going to dissolve the countries foundation, the United States Constitution, are the rest of us going to be above playing by the rules or the paying of fines?

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Think about how much it must

Think about how much it must have cost for the people that now run the country to get their congressional puppets to all dance to their tune.

If this was about a few wiretaps on a few terrorists they could have just paid the fines.

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A new survey shows 50% of

A new survey shows 50% of Ivy League graduates think the President can suspend the Bill of Rights at his discretion. What a dumbed-down country we live in.

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