Bailout bill passes, Bush signs

Thanks a lot Obama! Nice

Submitted by Pablo on October 3, 2008 - 8:53pm.

Thanks a lot Obama!
Nice job standing up for the people. You had a great chance to show some leadership skills and you blew it.
Yeah, change we can believe in.
Lesser of two evils, just great.
Do I sound bitter?
I am.

"Thanks a lot Obama! Nice

Submitted by frank verismo on October 3, 2008 - 10:03pm.

"Thanks a lot Obama!
Nice job standing up for the people. "

Yes.

Change you can deceive with.

Obama is the property of the Fed families. As is McCain.

Pull the plug on both parties. Just walk away in disgust.

Take a sledgehammer to your tv and begin building the New America.

Rebuild communites. Trade among yourselves.

Stop consenting to unlawful orders.

300 million versus some old men and their lackeys.

The horror show's over - if you want it to be.

Don't feel alone Pablo.

Submitted by Carl Nemo on October 4, 2008 - 2:51am.

Don't feel alone Pablo. Many millions of fed up, frustrated Americans share your sentiments.

What's interesting is that Obama's campaign had access to the information concerning the large number of Americans that did not want this obvious bailout for the bankers to pass.

This was his chance to use this huge groundswell of negative public sentiment to his advantage by not only saying no, but "hell no" to this bill. He could have put the powers that be on the spot by demanding that there be public hearings and that all aspects of this bill be discussed before the people prior to it going for a vote. Instead he rolled over with McCain and acted like all good "running dog" Senators do; ie., support the will of their corporate masters!

I've had distrust concerning Senator Obama for some time now and have very low expectations from him if he should be elected. His persona is obviously more likable than John McCain, but are we really going to see any change under this guy, or will he waste another four years of our time with jive and shuck rhetoric from the bully pulpit of the Whitehouse as our nation falls into further disarray? Rest assured McCain is not a viable alternative either.

Some Congressmen wanted to place an amendment on the bill requiring the money to be parceled out in installments rather than any lump sum amount being tendered to the Treasury with each installment under review, but Speaker Pelosi blocked their efforts to do so claiming that the Senate would have to reconvene in order to rework their bill etc. Of course most of the Senate has already left town to head back to Mayberry so they lie through their teeth as to how this bill was necessary for the country regardless of how repugnant. They need to be asked why did they sully the intent of the bill by layering on 120 billion in earmarks/pork?!

When I heard Pelosi speak post passage concerning the bill and that there would be monitoring and core fixes to Wall Street etc., I damn near upchucked knowing full well that just as she blocked any effort to refine this nightmarish legislation that the words rolling off her lips are nothing but lies. I surely hope she gets the boot this November and the good people of her district have finally had a belly full of her lies too.

Rest assured Pablo, millions of Americans are tired of our broken government with seemingly no hope for a turnaround.

I think their efforts to stave off a deep, many year recession/depression is for naught. They basically want the good times; ie., inflationist times to roll on forever, but there are far more powerful forces at work than even they can imagine or have the power to manipulate.

Not only the U.S., but the Eurozone and even Asia is going to feel the extreme pain of this unfolding financial "great extinction". This could be our finest hour as a people by showing the world that we the right stuff no different than those of the Great Depression and other periods of stress in our society since its founding. During this great flux within world financial markets possibly a new order shall arise, but it won't be the one that this cabal of globalist elites have been trying to force upon society for the past one hundred years.

Carl Nemo **==

"Many of us were told in

Submitted by frank verismo on October 3, 2008 - 9:43pm.

"Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day - another couple thousand the second day and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted 'no'." Rep, Brad Sherman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8

Outright fearmongering and threats.

The private banking families win again.

Well these "republicrat"

Submitted by Carl Nemo on October 4, 2008 - 1:56am.

Well these "republicrat" elitists definitely let us know who our betters are...no?!

In 1913 both the 16th Amendment which gave the government the power to tax our income and also the creation of the Federal Reserve Act of the same year came into being.

The Federal Reserve is a quasi-governmental organization that only the "word" Federal in its name is linked to the operation of our government. It is a privately owned entity with shares issued to a shadowy cabal of very old banking families one of the major holders being the Rothchilds of Europe and the Rockefellers of North America. I'll provide a link that shows a a diagram as to who own our Central Bank; ie., the Federal Reserve and therefore who owns the U.S. and its people, lock, stock and barrel!

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.ht...

They have the total and absolute power to inflate and deflate our currency at will with the most recent engineered inflation as a function of Greenspan being "instructed" to lower interest rates to 40 year lows post the "Tech Wreck" in order to create another bubble only this time in the real estate market.

Their next targeted bubble market is the commodity markets with it's associated ability to absorb massive inflation and to pass it on to all in the pricing of raw materials, and distributed goods and services.

It was already underway until the the wreckage of the housing market bubble washed up on their doorstep and they needed us to eat their bad paper. It's also causing a recession/depression; ie., "deflation" to stalk them and tinker with their inflationist schemes.

We the people always lose, they never do...period!

The citizens of the United States are basically trying to survive within the confines of a crooked casino with all the rules written for the benefit of the house.

I surely hope a goodly number of these traitorous "republicrats" that pulled a "Patriot Act" style end run on us; ie., they never read that act either because they didn't even have a copy and yet they voted almost unanimously "yea" to support the Bushista's post 911 virtually abrogating most of the protections we have under our Constitution. I surely hope many of them get the boot November 4th.

Bush and his cronies just pulled off another scare based tactic and Congress conveniently went for it again so they could high tail it out of DC so they can go back to Mayberry and lie through their teeth as to how they were looking out for the good citizens of this obviously "failed" experiment in freedom, once the United States of America.

Carl Nemo **==

Thanks for the link and

Submitted by frank verismo on October 5, 2008 - 3:23pm.

Thanks for the link and great diagram, Carl. Always good to see the names named. You've probably come across the following quote before, but it always bears repeating:

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin.
The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them,
but leave them the power to create deposits,
and with the flick of the pen they will
create enough deposits to buy it back again.
However, take it away from them, and
all the great fortunes like mine
will disappear and they ought to disappear, for
this would be a happier and better world to live in.
But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers
and pay the cost of your own slavery,
let them continue to create deposits."
Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Bank of England, 1920s

and another fine one from another country:

"Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes the nations laws. Usury, once in control, will wreck any nation. Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility, all talk of the sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile."
William Lyon Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada, 1940s

Same bankers, same system.

We have lost America to the

Submitted by Malibu on October 4, 2008 - 4:45am.

We have lost America to the bankers. I'm with the Ron Paul Revolution and will write in his name for POTUS. Thank you Senators McCain and Obama; two wrongs make a disaster. All Americans are at the mercy of the Congress. Let's throw 'em out in November! Can we spread the word?

Malcolm

It's time of reflection for

Submitted by Sylvester on October 4, 2008 - 7:34am.

It's time of reflection for every American.

This is for all of you

Submitted by gazelle1929 on October 4, 2008 - 9:04am.

This is for all of you naysayers and doom criers:

What would have been the effect of not doing something? Here's what I think.

The more I look at it the more I think we are on the verge of a depression. A big one.

Look at the latest data on job losses. And that was for a month ago. I'll posit that the numbers for the next month are going to be mind-boggling.

Do we want to see an America with 20 percent unemployment? 30 percent? The more people you have out of work the more people are going to be out of work the next month.

Do you think the housing market looks bad now? Wait until employment hits just 10 percent.

How many counties and cities are going to have to lay off police and firefighters because they do not have the revenue to pay for them? How is that going to affect the quality of YOUR lives?

How many ma-and-pa businesses are going to fail because there is no one to spend money in their stores? I took my kids to a large water sports park in July. Even back then the employees were telling me that their revenues were off 30 percent or more. What does that translate to? JOBS! Sure, it's cyclical employment, but those employees are mainly college kids who are depending on that income to pay for college. And if they don't have that and they cannot get a college loan, then they'll have to stay home.

I cannot say that I agree with the bailout program; I said earlier this week I'd rather see a United States Credit Bank to lend money to businesses until the credit market comes back. But the failure to act would have been much worse than what the Congress did.

This would only encourage

Submitted by Malibu on October 4, 2008 - 10:18am.

This would only encourage more people to develop more debt. Bailing out these banks and mortgage companies will not help the man in the street for years. It might be time to instill work ethics in all members of the family. Stop spending on anything but the essentials and give a gift at Christmas that is home made or a promise to wash the car or windows. Humans are not helpless as the government would wish; we are simply spoiled.

There are some great junior colleges for the kids while they work to pay for their books and supplies. The best way to explain a strong economy is to allow the children to be part of it.

I guess it is easier for the people to look to someone else to loan them money which is why we are in this mess to begin with. Stop whining and start working as a team. Our nation was built on bartering and there is no reason we can't go back and barter some more. During the depression, many homeowners rented out spare rooms for the income. If we can manage without much more than the minimum income allowed, we will pay little income tax. The problem is the size of the government that demands a hefty payment from the people. Let them find another way. I refuse to pay the bail out! I will never agree to a Federal Credit Bank.

Malcolm

Malibu: I did not say

Submitted by gazelle1929 on October 4, 2008 - 11:30am.

Malibu:

I did not say anything about "bailing out" banks and mortgage companies. What I proposed was a credit bank to help businesses big and small to borrow money for working capital. My wife works for a very large corporation (two letter stock symbol on the big board) and they told everyone this past week that the credit crunch means only very small raises for the very best employees.

If you look at what I said, you'll find that I proposed that a credit bank would lend money to businesses if and only if they put up good collateral for the loans. The bank could only lend 25% on junk mortgages and perhaps 50% on good ones. The borrowers would have to concentrate on business (no expenditures for political donations, no expenditures for lobbying, etc.) They would have to abrogate golden parachute agreements. These strictures would apply as long as they owed a dime to the Credit Bank.

The bank would be designed specifically to work itself out of existence by increasing interest rates until going into the regular credit market becomes more attractive.

That is NOT by any stretch of the imagination a bailout. That's sharp business practices.

Lines of credit are an essential part of business today, and when the lines dry up so do the companies.

You said we needed to stop spending on anything except essentials. Probably half of the country now lives from paycheck to paycheck. These people ARE spending on nothing except essentials. And if 20 percent of them are out of work you are likely to see foreclosure signs on every fifth house on your block.

"Our nation was built on bartering and there is no reason we can't go back and barter some more."

for starters our nation was not built on a barter system. Barter only works within very small communities. Barter will not pay a salary to an employee. My wife works for a company that sells specialized lined pipe. Can we afford to take two three-inch diameter teflon-lined pipes 15 feet long as her salary? Can we send those off to make a mortgage payment? Can the company afford to take a share of the chemicals that will pass through their pipe as payment for the pipe? Only when you see Beelzebub out selling ice to the people on the unemployment lines.

"If we can manage without much more than the minimum income allowed, we will pay little income tax." What do you mean here? If everyone is working at the minimum wage we will not pay much in income taxes? Were a depression to come you would find literally hundreds of people applying for each minimum-wage job opening but there wouldn't be any openings. Paying or not paying income taxes is not what this is all about. Having jobs IS what it's all about.

You say you will "refuse to pay the bail out." Please don't do that, because if you refuse to pay your taxes that will mean one more person in jail the rest of us will have to pay for. On the other hand it'd mean a job for someone else. In your words "Stop whining and start working as a team."

I merely wanted to throw out

Submitted by Malibu on October 4, 2008 - 12:22pm.

I merely wanted to throw out some way of keeping our debts low. We have federally supported banks and they extended credit to people who cannot pay them back. The congress insisted that these banks give credit anyway and so we fell. Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac were designed by the Congress to issue credit that failed and collapsed.

I have had periods in my life where I was unemployed and during those times I was saved from losing my home because I paid ahead and often paid the loans off. I am a fiscal conservative and would rather own less that is mine than drive new cars and live in million dollar homes. My words were not as strong as your reply indicated. I understand the federal government who will attach any property owned by any citizen. I do not work to pay my taxes to employ anyone else and I will not lose my home on a technicality of our congress not watching what they were doing.

Another problem is that if we buy and charge a bunch of Christmas gifts that are made in China, what good does that do for America? If we gave some thought before we charge anything, it would be better for the American economy.

Our government does not listen to any of us. We sent a million letters to the congress and they caved in. If you want to believe they saved us, that is one point of view. I believe they delayed the crash until Bush is gone. They know that neither Obama nor McCain has the ability to save our economy. I know it! I believe you know it too! There is only one man that I know of in the Congress who could save this nation and that is Dr. Ron Paul. They call him "Dr. No" because of his votes on these programs. I've understood this economic mess since the early 70s. This is the first time I saw it proven!!! We are on quick sand! Pumping more sand on the problem will delay the sinking of our nation.

I'm sorry I set you off. I apologize.

Malcolm

"I paid ahead and often paid

Submitted by ekaton on October 4, 2008 - 12:51pm.

"I paid ahead and often paid the loans off. I am a fiscal conservative and would rather own less that is mine than drive new cars and live in million dollar homes."

Absolutely! For anything smaller than a home, pay cash or go without because if you have to purchase it on credit you don't need it. There may be exceptions, such as tools for your trade, but generally speaking you don't NEED to be purchasing on credit.

"Another problem is that if we buy and charge a bunch of Christmas gifts that are made in China, what good does that do for America? If we gave some thought before we charge anything, it would be better for the American economy."

ALWAYS TRY to buy goods made in America if you can, even if from foreign manufacturers located here, like Honda and Toyota. It creates jobs. Let China-Mart eat their shoddy, toxic imported crap. And if you DO charge purchases, make sure you are purchasing American made goods. If you can't find what you want made here then TRY to go without.

"Our government does not listen to any of us."

Our government does not represent 90% of us. We live in a corporate-fascist state. We need to turn away from the government and help ourselves and our communities any way we can whenever we can.

At least thats how I see it.

-- Kent Shaw

Thank you Kent, you said it

Submitted by Malibu on October 4, 2008 - 1:28pm.

Thank you Kent, you said it better than I did.

Malcolm

Many years ago I had a

Submitted by gazelle1929 on October 4, 2008 - 10:50pm.

Many years ago I had a neighbor in Alexandria, VA, who boasted to me that she and her husband made double payments on their mortgage loan so that they could stop paying if they wanted to take a year-long hike through Europe.

I tried to explain to her that this did not work, but she didn't listen. Her house went into foreclosure while they were gone and they came very darned close to losing it entirely since they were way out of touch and also way out of money..

Mortgages do not work like car loans. If your mortgage payment is $1000 a month and you send in $2000 a month for six months you cannot skip the next six payments. All of the extra money you sent in went to pay down the principal, and you are still obligated for a payment every month until the whole note is paid off. A mortgage loan is more akin to a credit card balance than to a car loan.

If you don't believe me call a mortgage specialist or your mortgage company, but please don't put yourself in a bind by doing this. It does not work.

If you want to safeguard yourself against a period of unemployment don't put the extra mortgage payment on the loan, put it into a savings account. Then it'll be there when you need it.

Here is Ron Paul's comments

Submitted by Malibu on October 4, 2008 - 12:39pm.

Here is Ron Paul's comments on the bailout.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/023...

Malibu

What most folks don't seem

Submitted by Carl Nemo on October 4, 2008 - 4:38pm.

What most folks don't seem to realize is that everything within our vision field has been constructed on debt; ie., massive debt!

Take a drive through fancier noveau riche areas of your community and realize that few if any of the garish McMansions are mortgage free, the driveways loaded with fancy lease cars, boats etc. When they open their garage doors there's no room for the cars because the triple garages are full to the brim with more "stuff" they didn't need. There's "stuff" crushed in the city dump that still hasn't been paid off and is imedded in massive credit card debt of three Christmases or more past!

America in these times is nothing but a "Potemkin Village"; ie., an llusion of cardboard thickness in terms of perceived prosperity.

Rest assured little if any of the money from this monstrous aid package will ever do anything beneficial for the general public. It's going to migrate into the hands of the knaves that have gotten this great nation into this current fix. Most of the major destruction has happened since the signing of Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999 courtesy of Bill Clinton. It was the green light for Wall Street and the commercial banks to go on a feeding frenzy of selling "debt"!

If the government wanted to help they could have declared a banking emergency and "ordered" banks that enjoy the Fed's "discount" window to make necessary payroll loans, ag loans to farmers etc. or simply loose their charter! This emergency order would stand until the crisis abated concerning this housing market debacle.

The second emergency level decree would be to order all institutions to reschedule their loans with folks that are going into foreclosure and to "outlaw" all loan types; ie., ARMS, sliding loans and every other highly creative loan instrument that has been hatched during the past eight years and mandate that home loans can only be of a "fixed" rate not to exceed 30 years in duration. All variable loans would be converted to fixed rate loans at their original struck price between the bank and the borrower. Tough for the whining, greedy bankers is all I can say. They have compound interest as their ally!

Of course many free marketeers would shout aloud this is massive interference with the market, but they surely didn't care when it came to a taxpayer handout. Indeed so, but it's a hell of alot cheaper than slapping almost another trillion dollars of DEBT on the public that will do little to no good and in the end and be as the little Dutch boy plugging a leak in the dike with his finger.

The West and everyone that's involved with us financially are going to go down, and go down HARD!

Just one trillion dollars represents monumental debt, much less the 11 plus trillion of public debt hanging over heads, not including the 55 trillion in debt money for SS, Medicare, government pensions and other programs that are not funded, but which the government has made a committment to fund into the future?!

One trillion dollars alone represents a debt that if we could pay it off with simple interest would take over 2000 plus years at the rate of 500 million dollars per annum, but that's not possible because interest rates are compound in nature. If the nominal rate is 5 percent for all class of government debt then using the rule of 72's by dividing 5 percent into 72 we'll get a doubling of the principal owed every 14.4 years...! The original amount would have double at least 140 times in the period of time making it a number far greater than the estimated number of protons in the visible universe!

The interest on our public debt is growing by a rate of 80-90 billion per annum and already represents a large portion of the budget. Within short order it will take the entire annual budget of the government to service just the debt leaving "NOTHING" for the citizens of this once great nation. Debt will ultimately be repudiated and/or rescheduled by our government.

So what people need to get into their number challenged heads is that the amount of money that we owe to our creditors is absolutely "unpayable" even against as "little" as one trillion of debt much less the lala land levels we now owe due to the compound interest effect.

The outcome will be a "Mad Max" type of world with remnant populations surviving on the detritus of our failed civilization. Barter will be the order of the day and the first specie to reemerge will be metals such as copper, silver and gold.

The dollar is going to crash and end up like all fiat currencies throughout history; ie into the ashbin! All of China's sweat equity with almost 50 percent of their national wealth invested in U.S. treasuries is going to go "poof" as well as every other modern currency that's currently in circulation.

Carl Nemo **==

CN: I kept reading your post

Submitted by gazelle1929 on October 5, 2008 - 6:03pm.

CN:

I kept reading your post and I kept thinking about Atlas Shrugged, particularly the part about forcing the banks to make loans:

"If the government wanted to help they could have declared a banking emergency and 'ordered' banks that enjoy the Fed's "discount" window to make necessary payroll loans, ag loans to farmers etc. or simply loose their charter! This emergency order would stand until the crisis abated concerning this housing market debacle."

I think you will have seen something I wrote elsewhen that said banks cannot lend money they do not have. Ordering banks to lend money is darned near communistic IMNSHO. Banks will lend the money they have to the people they deem deserving of it. Money sitting in a bank vault and not out at interest is a direct loss of revenue to the bank. What is happening now is that the banks are plain flat tapped. They have no money to lend since they had to write down their assets.

Go ahead. Hold a gun to a banker's head and say LEND LEND LEND. It won't work. The pot's empty.

" If the government wanted

Submitted by ekaton on October 4, 2008 - 5:44pm.

"
If the government wanted to help they could have declared a banking emergency and "ordered" banks that enjoy the Fed's "discount" window to make necessary payroll loans, ag loans to farmers etc. or simply loose their charter! This emergency order would stand until the crisis abated concerning this housing market debacle.

This would have definitely alleviated the current "crisis", and I cannot believe that this did not occur to at least a few senators and representatives. I believe they are either "in" on the "take" or subject to blackmail.

NOTHING is as it meets the eye in this country anymore. NOTHING.

-- Kent Shaw

This is the last straw. I

Submitted by Stratocaster on October 4, 2008 - 5:46pm.

This is the last straw. I just went to buy groceries. Everything that was 99 cents a few days ago is now $1.19, That is a 20% devaluation of the dollar. Are they planning on compensating people living on fixed incomes? If people couldn't make it before, how and the hell are they going to make it now? Just how and the hell is a devaluation of the dollar going to help the average American? And, when and the hell are they going to erect the gallows for Bush and Cheney?

Gallows? They've served

Submitted by griff on October 4, 2008 - 8:32pm.

Gallows? They've served their masters well. Nope - no gallows. Comfortable retirements in protective coccoons, far above the effects of their creations. No grocery worries.

Money, Food, Energy - The Subjugation Trifecta. They've got it all now - while we wasted our time debating silliness. A shame, really.

I heard an interesting interview with renowned economist Max Keiser the other day. He suggested massive boycotts as a means of fighting back. Dropping dividends is an effective tool - perhaps the only one we have.

That 20% is from the $1.8

Submitted by woody188 on October 5, 2008 - 2:02am.

That 20% is from the $1.8 trillion the Fed loaned out last week. The bailout has not even hit yet. Expect at least another 20% when it does. Congress has only succeeded in making the problem worse, requiring a larger, more painful correction in the near future.

Look at Kraft American cheese. The package says suggested retail price, $3.49. The grocery price tag, $5.49. That's for 24 measly slices. Kraft can't change the packaging fast enough to keep up with inflation. Needless to say, I have stopped purchasing American cheese.

I feel for the fixed income folks. Hope you have friends/family that will take you in. Sticking together is all we little people have left.

People must have thought I was kidding when I wrote Pulling the plug on retirement, July 8th. Or people thought I meant someone else, not them. Or they just don't bother to read my blog because who am I anyway?

I only hope I'm wrong about the North American Union, but each passing day only re-affirms my fears. The United States of America no longer exists as we knew it. Apparently it only existed in pre-9/11 minds.

You are not wrong, my

Submitted by griff on October 5, 2008 - 10:15am.

You are not wrong, my friend. I pulled the plug on our retirement plans years ago, and I'm only 40. I know many others that have liquidated their 401's and dropped out of the market.

We always think it'll happen to someone else. It's the American Way. This is the same playbook we've been using around the world for decades to topple governments, and now it's come home to roost.

Let's address the 'inherent

Submitted by frank verismo on October 5, 2008 - 2:57pm.

Let's address the 'inherent uselessness':

"I pulled the plug on our retirement plans years ago, and I'm only 40. I know many others that have liquidated their 401's and dropped out of the market."

That's a good start. We're way overdue for a boycott of the entire system. It doesn't work. It cannot work. We need to ultimately turn our backs and walk away from the entire monetary system and all of its inbuilt injustice.

An enforced abolition of the Fed would feel like a good thing, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as a complete refusal to take part. Because this refusal would be based on an understanding of the system's inherent uselessness in providing for the World's needs, it would make the return of any such system an impossibility. It would also result in the death of the predatory IMF and World Bank.

Some steps I have already taken:

My home has been tv - and thus corporate propaganda - free for 18 months now. I'm pleased to note this trend is becoming quite widespread. Mainstream media viewing figures are plunging. Awareness is rising in inverse proportion to this.

I use cash and reject electronic money wherever possible. Once I'm debt-free I have vowed to never support the electronic credit system. I will continue to praise the virtues of physical currency in the face of well-funded propaganda campaigns to the contrary.

The full and certain realization that political solutions are an impossibility. Being entirely uninterested in the latest theatrical performances of Obama, Palin etc frees up time and mental energy for more important things. Things which have their basis in reality.

The monetary system, ruled by private banking families cannot continue to exist without our tacit support. The general population is more receptive to this truth than at any previous time. I'm getting the word out at any and all opportunities.

'If it benefits the private banks - boycott it'.

We'd be fools to trust the

Submitted by bryan mcclellan on October 4, 2008 - 8:56pm.

We'd be fools to trust the rope Strato, since it's no doubt made in China, carpentry is a lost American art and because the illegals have us accepting shoddy/shitty work, we'd never get them up the steps of the gallows.

I hear there's lots of open ground for tents in Crawford TX. Griff.

Soup sandwiches for all.Now that's what the smirk is all about.He's bailing with his golden chute ala Twiddle dee, hence the smile while trying to remember how to spell George.

What's all the Upset? Come

Submitted by AustinRanter on October 5, 2008 - 12:42pm.

What's all the Upset?

Come on boys and girls. All the government did was to ask us all to sign another promissary note and to bend over just one more time...but this time they promised to dispense KY Jelly.

Welp, they gave us the KY Jelly...mixed with gravel!

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