The entire military is fed this stuff. Those who aren't being shot at believe the whole package. Ask my wife's brother, who's a string player in the Army band, who regularly emails the current line, then blocks the replies he doesn't like.

What else must happen to call it a civil war?

Seriously, you dont think for a moment that any career military person is going to say anything that might go "against the grain" of this whole "lying administration", do you???

With no WMD found somebody lie, now 2,506 soldiers dead and 22,500 severely injured, 64% of Americans believe Dumbya’s bogus Iraq war was a “deadly mistake". 81% of Americans think Iraq will end up in a civil war which is now spiraling toward civil war with 138,000 U.S. troops caught in the middle. Would someone please tell Pete Pace what happening so an effective strategy can be implemented to change this situation.

Quote:a nation of sheep deserves a government of wolves!this cabal in washington has been prevaricating since day one of their illegal invasion. the sooner dush is impeached the better for this once great nation

the real military leaders walked when Rummy came on board, these are just the political hacks.

How many more people have to die to wake these assholes up?

How can a soldier have so many medals and stars and still be an idiot..

These fucking neo-conservatives are going to blow up the world with their fascist bullshit - and I.m a Republican!

Peter Pace has demonstrated what is wrong and why we are loosing the war in Iraq. They define victory by a set of arbitrary metrics; writing constitutions, holding elections, training local military and police.

Sadly, each of their 'victories' only aids the enemy.

Yes, they have held two successful elections in Iraq and both times radical Shia have won.

Yes, they did approve a constitution that the majority in the center provinces rejected - by contrast all thirteen original colonies ratified our constitution.

Yes, they are training military and police. It is no secret that the vast majority in both institutions are Shia. The Sunnies are not signing up. What is worse, much of the police force has been infiltrated by the Badr brigades and the Mahdi Army. Both are loyal not to the government but to Shia parties. American and British trained police in Basra enforce a religious code not unlike the code enforced by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The American armed forces are aiding the take-over of Iraq by the allies of Iran. How that serves the interests of America escapes me. This is progress? This is victory? God save America from any more Bush 'victories,' many more victories like these and there won't be anything left to save.

Hello All !

It should be NO SECRET or SURPRISE that General Peter Pace or ANY OTHER GENERAL having ANYTHING to do with this insanity in Iraq that a very stubborn and uncaring President has decided he will stay the course is preaching the "PARTY LINE" no matter how foolish they sound. THAT IS THEIR JOB

If ANY military officer, certainly above the rank of o-6 EVER spoke the truth that THEY KNEW TO BE TRUE, they would be retired, fired or sent to Greenland to guard the gate and monitor polar bears.

Frankly it has to one degree or another ALWAYS been that way but this administration with it's foolish and stupid voyages into almost everything they do has taken it to a much higher "art form"

Their vindictiveness knows no bounds.

They have been lying to the American peole for the last five years and the "word" to ANY military person is , BACK US UP OR YOU WILL BE SORRY.

Those that make JCS and any other cabinet level or advisory rank are chosen for their ability to preach the party line and not waiver no matter how foolish they may sound. They allow themselves to be programmed so to speak and the best of the lot move up the chain.

Some never learn, even when they retire from "natural and honorable causes"

Gen. Pace, Chair of JCS is a political appointee. Hasn't everyone noticed that it's always "retired" military rank who speak forthrightly about Iraq? Murtha speaks for the active-duty troops when he asserts that the US military is in an increasingly dangerous position in Iraq:

"We're in a civil war now; it's just that not everybody's joined in," said retired Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash, a former military commander in Bosnia-Herzegovina. "The failure to understand that the civil war is already taking place, just not necessarily at the maximum level, means that our counter measures are inadequate and therefore dangerous to our long-term interest."

And:

"Anthony Cordesman, the Arleigh A. Burke chair in strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told ABC News, "If you talk to U.S. intelligence officers and military people privately, they'd say we've been involved in low level civil war with very slowly increasing intensity since the transfer of power in June 2004."

And.

Gen. William Odom said the Iraq War is "the greatest strategic blunder in the history of our country."

When I was in the military we use to have a saying, if it wears stars, it's lying.

This is not neo-cons,
this is Wall Street.
The government is on their payroll.
There is no crime these "people" will
not commit to preserve and
multiply their riches.

This is not neo-cons,
this is Wall Street.
The government is on their payroll.
There is no crime these "people" will
not commit to preserve and
multiply their riches.

Why does everyone think that Iraq is in the midst of coming apart at the scenes, when it is clear that the country is indeed being rapidly pacified and giving up its military regimen.

A couple of months ago Mr Bush claimed that the Iraqi's had 100 or so battle ready battalions. Shortly after that, the Pentagon announced that number was reduced to one. This past week, final victory was announced, and it was declared that the number of combat prepared battalions is now zero. So we must conclude that the Iraqis have given up all military ambitions, and will settle all future disputes through peaceful discussions in a hot tub.

Wall street has little to do with the military industrial complex. What other industry anywhere in the world is guaranteed a single customer that spends $440,000,000,000. Only a fraction of that money is spent on salaries for active personel. It is in the best interest of the defence contractors to go to war. They need us to use the weapons so we can buy more. Plain and simple.

Now they've started another arms race with the "Reliable Replacement Warhead" program. We are violating the non-proliferation treaty not only with this new deal with India but with the development of new, improved nuclear warheads. What could possible be the rationale behind creating MORE nuclear weapons? Are we going to start nuking the terrorists? Remember the innocent civilians killed in Pakistan because our "intelligence" told us that the #2 terrorist was there? Next time are we going to just nuke them?

The defence contractors hire former politians as "consultants" as in Bush Sr. and the Carlyle Group. Why wouldn't a politian want to increase defence spending when he's promised a seven-figure consulting job when he retires? Just because the money is deferred until they retire doesn't make it less of a bribe.

I John Kamalic; am an x marine combat marine that is - 0331 M-60 gunner on the ground with 1st Mar Div. E 2/5 Vietnam 68-69 hit 2x and cancer from agent orange rated 100% disabled with a degree in Political Science Baldwin Wallace college 1977. I have been in the shit and had seen plenty of friendly fire like an air strike called in by our drunk Lt that killed 6 marines from the 1st F4 jet and the 2nd F4 jet dropped 2 Napalm pods and incinerated over 50 old men, women, and children on our perimeter next to a village. Yet, when I complained about it and said when we get back to our fire-base An Hoa I will tell Battalion - what did they do ? They covered it up and on the next op I walked point etc - I have witnessed war crimes murders of Vietnamese civvies and what did command do - nothing but yelled at me and told me to be a team player. And that was back in 68. Look at Tillman in Iraq; I want to tell you; only maybe 60% of the marines I met were good marines; but a strange thing happens when the military tries to turn you into a sociopath for was - you can not turn it off after the war. And some go wild and begin to love it and will do anything to maintain the rush of killing without guilt - how sad. That is why war is hell, and people not properly trained or screened for war - will commit murder and torture - I know - I have seen it - and I have seen some marines not taking it and simply kill themselves in the bush with a 45.
so this Pace guy is a real asshole and a political appointee that will say anything the crackhead Bush wants him to say. I respect Cong. Murtha, and he is a true Marine who speaks the truth in an open society.
I feel bad for Iraq, and Americans and all other forces who are dying for Israel and oil. and the Military Industrial Complex - that he warned about on film in a speech many years ago.

John Kamalic:

Good post. I too was in Vietnam in '68-'69. I was at Cu Chi, home of the 25th infantry division. I also have PTSD and Agent Orange in the form of prostate cancer. I have 60% disability and am fortunate because I can still work. I have a M.S. degree in Human Behavior and work with the developmentally disabled. In Vietnam I was part of the FAC team. It was our job to call in airstrikes and drop bombs on people. I agree with Murtha: Pace is a liar and just another Repug shill. We must get out of Iraq NOW. Impeachment of Bush cannot come soon enough. He and his cronies are war criminals and should be prosecuted.

My experiences in Vietnam were not on the lines with you guys. I was a Navy supply officer and got to see the warbucks people at work. Every day it was a race between Hughes, Skiorsky and Boeing to see who could get the most birds in the air to have the best effectiveness to get orders for more birds.

This Iraq war is just another opportunity for the profiteering bastards to sell their wares at the cost of young American lives.

Good for Murtha. To bad he isn't running for president.

The arabs hold much of our debt as does China & Japan. If one were to suddenly sell it all, the US would be in economic collapse. Could the UAE be blackmailing us on the ports management sale?

Everyone is talking about Iraq, but what about here in the states. NO ONE is talking about the CONCENTRATION CAMPS or that according to REP. CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL of Texas says that our government has FOREIGN TROOPS stationed inside & outside our borders. He said that they are hear "just in case we have MARTIAL LAW". You can find in at www.PrisonPlanet.tv

To John Kamalic, I am eternally grateful for your sacrifice and battles of conscience that remain your badges of honor from Vietnam.
None of us are saints but we know the devil when we're staring him in the eyes. Like 'Rosemary's baby', Bush and co. are abominations, born of deceit and ill gain.
I'm a 20 year USNR(Ret.O4) Aviator ('74-'94) and I, like Rep. Murtha (God bless em), would not want to serve in this man's military today. Nor my sons.
My Vietnamese wife, born and raised in DaLat, and our 3 cafe-au-lait sons, now grown, thank you for your love of those innocents from so long ago.
If I outlive you, I will forever honor your memory, en passant.

John V Sullivan