Lets not allow the Dick Cheney hunting incident to become yesterday's news. There are still important questions that need to be answered. Just how much did he have to drink? Was he drunk? Why did they take 18 hours before the shooting was reported? Was it because Dick Cheney needed 18 hours to sober up? Was he drunk when he shot? Why isn't the press asking these questions instead of me?
If it were a democrat VP who shot someone while hunting you can be sure there would be full scale reporting and editorializing happening in our Republican controlled now.
Posted by beelzabubb at February 18, 2006 08:00 AM
Of course the old fool was in the bag. He has a very long history of drinking....thrown out of college, two arrests for driving while drunk. He is a disgrace.
Posted by Bill at February 18, 2006 08:16 AM
Both previous posters have it right - Cheney was very likely hammered and can you imagine if it had been Al Gore. Christ, the right wing would have wanted an independent prosecutor, Congressional hearings, yada, yada, yada. They would have wasted millions of our tax dollars trying to convert it to their political advantage.
Bush and Cheney are men of extremely low moral character - it's too bad the average American wasn't made aware of that fact in the year 2000. The world would be a lot better and safer place!
Posted by Stephen Kriz at February 18, 2006 09:09 AM
when whittington was admitted to the hospital his blood alcohol level was tested. when reporters asked what it was, the hospital pr flak abruptly ended the interview.
can't anyone get this information?
Posted by jim at February 18, 2006 09:19 AM
The delay in a face to face interview between Cheney and law enforcement is a disgrace. Maybe he did only have one beer, maybe not, but there would not be this nagging question had the first deputy to show up at the ranch been admitted.
Maybe we need a change in the laws and regulations covering the Secret Service, so things like taking a BAC after a car or other accident involving the President or Vice President are required. Credibility trumps privacy in this case.
However, Worthington is the victim here and even if he was legally intoxicated it is irrelevant. Thus, the hospital is well in bounds to refuse to release his test results without his express permission. In fact, doing otherwise would violate HIPPA. Journalists hate that law, and so do hospitals, but in this case it is doing what it is supposed to do.
Posted by john wylie at February 18, 2006 09:29 AM
Everything about this incident stinks to high places!
The delays in reporting, the shifting stories by supposed eyewitnesses, the botched investigation and accompanying reports, the lack of sufficient rigor to ensure no foul (not fowl!) play or hiding of evidence, the extremely weak job done by the "official" McClellan in getting and disclosing the information, and the incompetent decision by Mr. Cheney to leave the reporting of this to a private citizen and others instead of being the responsible one and doing the right thing.
This man and those around him who bow at his feet are not worthy, are blatant liars, and arrogant bstrds. Those that blindly support them are no better.
There is putrid cloud that floats over this administration and its supporters.
Posted by Victory Gin at February 18, 2006 10:21 AM
I defer to Alan Dershowitz, who states that the delay was what any attorney would tell you to do: Wait until all alcohol has cleared your system first. The time required is about 14 hours. I dare not post my thoughts about the administration's paranoid secrecy. BB is watching.
Posted by mr.ed at February 18, 2006 11:13 AM
Upon discovery that he'd shot one of his fellow hunters, Cheney was overheard speaking to a reporter. "I turned around and there were all these little fellows wearing turbans running out of the grass, so I shot at them. We now know that they were quail, but this was the safest course since they might have been Al Qaida. I deeply regret that Whit got in the way, but friendly fire is an unfortunate fact of war that we would do well to accept."
Upon hearing that Whittington had suffered a heart attack as the result of being shot, Cheney replied "It isn't just our brave soldiers overseas who stand in harm's way in the war on terror. We must all be prepared to make sacrifices." When pressed by reporters about why he lacked the proper stamp for hunting on his license the Vice President grew truculent, exclaiming "if I needed some two-bit seven dollar license to shoot Al Qaida we would never win the war. It's open season on terrorists, in my view."
Posted by Larry Brown at February 18, 2006 11:39 AM
Why not question the distance the "official" story claims of the shooting? If you look at the mainstream news releases on CNN and other sources, they claim Cheney was 30 yards (90') from him when the shooting occurred. If you saw on CNN the diagram of the pellet pattern on the victim, it was very small, as if much closer, as at 90' the spread would have been huge. Interestingly, on www.infowars.com there is a video done by Alex Jones where he demonstrates this with a 28 gauge shotgun and alleges the shooting would have to be at a distance of 15'. Can't these guys be honest about anything? Apparently lying is so ingrained into their psyche truth just isn't an option.
Posted by Free Speecher at February 18, 2006 11:47 AM
Free Speecher: Thanks for mentioning the Alex Jones investigation into the question of distance and damage done.
I posted the link to this investigation video yesterday in the CHB ReaderRant: NEWS: Vice President Cheney shoots fellow hunter...
I also, posted there that the many gun enthusiasts I know can't understand the distance/damage story either, even though almost all of them are staunch Bush supporters.
I'm waiting for others to acknowledge that this opens up the can-of-worms that has been virtually ignored by the MSM.
Posted by Victory Gin at February 18, 2006 12:15 PM
Mr. Wittington said as he left the hospital that the incedent occured on Friday not Saturday. He also made some remarks thanking the press for their reports, which he had read and acknowledged they had a hard job to do. Read between the lines, people. I think his graciousness towards Cheney was an example of Southern etiquette but his words were carefully chosen to get a deeper point across.
Posted by cynthia at February 18, 2006 04:25 PM
To John Wylie, First to mention, the vicitm's name was Whittington, not Worthington. Second, when a criminal violation takes place, ALL information leading to and from the offense are of relevancy. The reason why people involved are not speaking out the truth, is because it would lead to more questions, and possibly to additional violations.
Watching the 'idiot box' television cop and detective shows expresses more in detail of an investigation that the actual one that took place in Texas.
Posted by the hidden truth at February 18, 2006 05:12 PM
Alex Jones may have made an impression regarding the Cheney shooting, but he sure shows no interest in the fullness of the truth. He and many others may talk a good talk, but they too can't walk straight (nothing to do with illusive drugs or being drunk).
It has to do with the fact, the American constituents are blaming the government for their own imperfections and greed. You see, while everyone points the finger at the problems within the American government system, they fail to mention the problems deeply rooted within their own American society.
Alex Jones has failed to report corruption within the American government. And he like so many others tip toe through the dead tulips in hope to find a "good story to tell and make money from," They have no interest in putting time into looking and finding the heart breaking truth, that can truly make a world of difference!
Posted by Honesty at February 18, 2006 05:28 PM
Now, they are saying he didn't see the man because he was standing in the sun. Well, if you can't see a man because he is in the sun, you shure as hell can't see something as small as a quail. No one in their right mind would shoot at something when they can't see what they are looking at. He had to be either drunk, stupid, or a stupid drunk. Make up your minds. Which is it guys?
Posted by dave at February 18, 2006 05:43 PM
This is LAST WEEK's news. A democrat would not shoot anyone because as liberals, democrats are afraid of those nasty old guns.
Dave
Posted by Dave at February 18, 2006 06:31 PM
Yeah right. I just saw the lawyer on TV again apologizing for getting in the way of the VP's gun. It is starting to sound like they found true love at Brokeback Ranch.
Posted by dave at February 18, 2006 07:55 PM
How short and selective are the memories of the reigning Republican regime. Clinton and Cheney each have had have “hunting accidents”, both rating at least 9 on the stupidity scale. The result of Clinton’s relatively victimless escapade was endless months of investigations, an impeachment proceeding and a trial, which ended in acquittal. All this was ours for a cost in the tens of millions of dollars.
In less than a week the pundits and supporters of the right want the nation to forgive and forget that Cheney shot a friend and supporter while violating almost every element of safe hunting protocol.
Cheney has also been one of the chief architects of a national policy that has resulted in the shooting of hundreds of thousand of individuals, and the deaths of tens of thousands. I must conclude that in the eyes of the righteous right the negligent shooting of one man pales by comparison.
It just depends on the point of view.
Posted by Rosco at February 18, 2006 10:11 PM
You're all forgetting the normal potent affects of Dr. Pepper; it can be a wicked drink for those who suffer from the heartbreak of low Dr. Pepper tolerance.
It may be that the VP was served a fermented Dr. Pepper. We shouldn't jump to conclusions on this.
Posted by Wedjat at February 18, 2006 10:57 PM
Republicans Rule all Goverment so what would be the use of dragging it out when nothing will ever be done about it?
Posted by BILL at February 18, 2006 11:31 PM
To my fellow Americans, . . . "ALL" politicians are crooks! If not, they would be ostracized from the political community! In clear view, they all go to social party's, dinners, special events, theater, ceremonies, and etc., together. They even join the same clubs such as the Skulls and Bones. And according to Kerry and Bush, the Skulls and Bones is a "secret" that they can't talk about. We are sure the females have sororities of their own. There are NO innocent party members in politics, because politics is not an honest profession.
Running a country is like running a business, and that is why politicians fail at running America. They are poor business people. Sound minded business people know how to generate honest and clean money and help and assist those in need along the way. Actual business owners DON'T ROB THEIR CONSUMERS! Actual business owners DON"T ABUSE THEIR CUSTOMERS!
Actual business owners know how to give back to their community, and remain faithful to their residing country.
America is nothing more than a "FRAUD," because it is judged and ruled by frauds!
People are beginning to speak about leaving America. We don't blame them.
Posted by in the light of the truth at February 19, 2006 12:28 AM
Question: Didn't V.P. Cheney claim the sun may have effected his shooting? Wasn't it near 6:30 p.m. when the shooting occurred? Isn't the sun down by then? What gives?
Posted by candy at February 19, 2006 12:32 AM
Harry makes Dick look like an even greater pompous dominating brute with his suck-up "I'm so sorry," master performance. By taking all the blame when he almost died and apologizing for Cheney's actions in front of the camera's, leaves no doubt that this guy fears what has happened to Cheney's image more then his own life.
Posted by
Rick Haynes at February 19, 2006 04:58 PM
28 guage is a woman's gun. The foolishness, stalls, and cover-ups make sense if Lynne Cheney pulled the trigger. Notice there were no drug tests.
Posted by American Passport at February 19, 2006 05:24 PM
It is very possible to believe, that VP Cheney will NEVER bounce from this one. Whittington now has to suffer continuously knowing Cheney made a fool out of the entire government.
The way we see it, every time the government gets caught in their own snare, more and more people begin to wake up to the reality of the fact, there is no such thing as an American government as there should have NEVER BEEN ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
All stones will be unturned. It is just a matter of "Time Speaking."
We truly feel bad for Whittington and his family. As they say, . . . Whittington was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
However, it is true to say that we shall all pay for our wrong doings in life. As no one is perfect, it is likely Whittington and VP Cheney has paid a part of their debt of injustice they have created upon others. Only God knows the amount of everyone's secrets and hidden skeletons.
Posted by give me the truth at February 19, 2006 06:39 PM
To Bill, . . . Something can be done about it if "the people" would DEMAND it!
Posted by the people at February 19, 2006 06:43 PM
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
-Samuel Adams
Posted by Adams at February 19, 2006 06:45 PM
Palsie-walsie trumps nasty-blasty? What USA lawyer wouldn't have drool to his shoelaces after getting nearly extinguished by a hugely rich man who claims no excuses? Is the victim hinting that the Veep is such a controller of corruption that to sue him in court is futile? Or, (ha) was this lawyer a graduate of MK-ULTRA?
Posted by Ever-so-Protected Politicos at February 19, 2006 09:08 PM
I am wondering why all the info concerning this shooting had the victum being shot on the left side of his body and when he had his press interview upon leaving the hospital there was wounds on the right side of his face and neck. How can this be?
Posted by helen Lehman at February 20, 2006 04:42 PM
For the cause of, . . . THE STORY BEING TOLD IS NOT WHAT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE! SO HOW CAN ANYONE EXPECT TO MAKE SENSE OF ANYTHING THAT IS BEING EXPRESSED? IT IS ALL NONSENSE!
Posted by give me the truth at February 21, 2006 04:11 PM