Give'um hell, Bob!!

Im really sick and tired of all this crap about an accident and using it to bash the Vice President. Gimmie a break. If you had accidently shot one opf your friends, would you like to be treated this way?

If I was a famously loud-mouthed "chicken hawk" with a stupendous record of evading service and a holier-than-thou attitude (like big Dick).... um, yeah... fair game, so to speak... if he can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

If he wasn't so drunk, maybe he could have lifted the gun higher.

I really want to know why the hospital ER didn't notify the police about a gun shot accident. I'll bet that a contingent of ubergestapo went to the hospital and told those guys to not notify anybody, the shooting was a matter of national security.

Let's do that next time we get threatened with a speeding ticket or whatever. Just say, "I was ...because of national security". I wonder what would happen?

Charlie Couser:

Actually, if any one of us shot and nearly killed someone while hunting illegally, we'd most likely be in jail now.

When I first heard this on the news, it struck me as very funny. Of course, the resulting injury & heart attack that resulted weren't.

What was even less amusing as this story unfolded was the manner in which Cheney dealt (or didn't deal) with it, whcih, as has been pointed out by many, is deeply symptomatic of many ills that exist in our present administration.

Something that I've not heard anyone opine about, however, is that, while Cheney maintains that he was deeply affected to realize that his gunshot had injured a "dear friend" (and I'm sure that's true), no one has compared that to the fact that thousands of our men and women in uniform must witness the injuries and deaths of not only their companions, but those of the innocent, regularly. Those thousands who come home with deep physical & emotional scars with which they must live out their lives.

Buck up Mr Cheney. Without those five deferments it could have been much, much worse. AND you could have had to depend on shrinking VA benefits for care.

So, Charlie, you are "sick and tired" of all this "crap" about an accident and the way it's being "used" to persecute our sensitive VP? Well, I'm sick and tired of contemplating the rivers of human blood dripping off the hands of that bastard, who will likely never face the slightest consequence for the thousands and thousands of deaths and maimings he is DIRECTLY responsible for.

Okay, I got that many deferments, but then, I'm no chickenhawk. Here they are:
1:Undergrad student
2:Married ('64)
3:One child ('66)
4:Second child ('69)
5:Defense work for GE ('69)
6:Too old ('70)
A lot of us followed this track. Most that I know, however, aren't the falsely brave-with-other-peoples-kids hawks.

I hear you, mr. ed. I myself would have dodged the 'nam draft, and if they had one today for Iraq, I'd dodge that, too. I'm not big into dying for a lie. Now if a war was justified, that's a different matter. But as far as "draft dodger" being a universal, rigteous pejorative, I say bullshit.

Hold on, folks. Charlie didn't make the post saying he was sick and tired. That person merely signed on as "x". Don't blame poor Charlie for what ikky "x" had to say.

I hear it's hard to find people to enlist in the service. Well??????why don't we just let Prince Dickie and King George climb up on their horses and lead the way in Iraq?????????????

I did serve in Vietnam ('68-'69). If I had to do it again I would probably go to Canada. (Well not now with THEIR right-wing gov't) Bush/Cheney don't know the horrors of war. They are chickenhawks of the first order. They will send our sons and daughters to die for Bush's "vision", but when it was their turn one went AWOL and the other took 5 deferments. I am sick of this political atmosphere where the opposition Democrats have no balls and are in lock-step with this abhorant right-wing Congress. Look where their failed policies have taken us. There is no more middle-class. Bush makes it tougher to claim bankrupty and he gives billions in no-bid contracts. His illegal spying is close to being accepted. I feel very sad at what America has become. Our only hope is to block Bush initiatives and elect liberal Democrats and Progressives. We must accomplish this if this Nation is to survive.

The underlining facts of V.P. Cheney mishitting his target, only tells, . . . his focus of mind and aim was inaccurate. "IF" (not likely), V.P. Cheney was not in a feeble state of mind on that infamous day, he sure is now experiencing debility, but not to say by illusive drugs or drinking, but by the conscious calling of calamity and shame!

In the role play of propaganda, you would think V.P.Cheney would at least squeeze in some compelling theatre drama by publicly announcing some given remorse in regards to shooting Whittington in the face. Wouldn't you think?

Hey, I didn't have a problem with the draft in the Sixties. I burned my draft card and told them to go screw themselves. Since I didn't see any Vietnamese landing troops in San Francisco, New York or anywhere else in America, I didn't feel threatened. Didn't see any Iraqis landing in America either and, since anybody with an I.Q. above 45 kows by now that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, don't even trot out that worn out old rag again.
I had a lot of friends in high school volunteer and knew a lot that we drafted. Some of them came back, at least what was left of them.
But here's the bottom line. I'm not going to get killed for a rich bunch of bastards that start wars and then are too chickenshit to participate in them. If you feel the need to act in such a suicidal manner, by all means, participate. But don't attach the concepts of freedom or patriotism to such acts because that's just a convenient way
for them to get you to do their dirty work.

The way we hear it, . . . the government has increased "incentive bonuses," if one enrolls. Hey, who can wrong with a deal of incentives and bonuses, . . . in exchange of losing a limb or your sight, or even your total state of health and living!

When will people learn that old familiar phrase, . . . "NO!"

DID YOU KNOW, . . . we are to serve God before giving consideration of serving man? So why are so many people yet being tricked into believing one has to serve man unto an unjust cause?

Learn the facts pertaining to "LIFE." All of which is in script of Scripture and American history.

So, did Cheney shoot the guy from 30 ft or from 10 ft?

Lets not allow the Dick Cheney hunting incident to become yesterday's news. There are still questions that need to be answered. Just how much did he have to drink? Was he drunk? Why did they take 18 hours before the shooting was reported? Was it because Dick Cheney needed 18 hours to sober up? Was he drunk when he shot? Why isn't the press asking these questions instead of me?
If it were a democrat VP who shot someone while hunting you can be sure there would be full scale reporting and editorializing happening in our Republican controlled now.

Lickspittle, your comment is the best I have ever read. Thank you, Very much
Phil

To quote Debora J. Saunders of San Francisco Chronicle: "Dick Cheney--Elmer Fudd"

This is in response to the person who questioned, . . . "Would I like to be treated this way, if I shot a friend?"

In the first place, . . . I wouldn't be so foolish as to shoot my friend.
Second place, . . . I wouldn't be so foolish as to be drinking while taking targets with a gun, for my friend or my sake.
Third place, . . . I wouldn't leave my friend laying in the hospital while having dinner.
Fourth place, . . . I would accept responsibility for my actions IF I was to foolishly shoot "anyone." My parents raised me correctly.
Fifth place, . . . I would immediately report the truth at the time of the scene, to relieve any doubt or suspicion of the circumstances.
Sixth place, . . . First it was told by VP Cheney, Whittington is a "friend." Then VP Cheney stated, Whittington is just an "acquaintance." So which of the two is the truth? How can the VP speak of anything in a truthful manner when he can't even discern if Whittington is a friend or an acquaintance?
Seventh place, . . . I would be at the person's bedside until he or she was released from the hospital. Where was VP Cheney found during Whittington's close call to answering to death?

Also, VP Cheney stated, most likely the sun affected his shooting. Wasn't it near 6:30 p.m. when the shooting occurred? Isn't the sun down by then?

Oh well, another one bites the dust, . . . it is a matter of he said she said. The only One who knows the "fullness of the truth" is the only One who needs to know, . . . God. And VP Cheney can't lie to God and take God for a fool.

In personal opinion, . . . If there weren't so many witnesses, it wouldn't surprise me if VP had made up a complete new story and blamed some "stranger behind the BUSH'S."

I would not be surprised if quail is'nt the only thing hunted on the VP's grounds out there. I will be open with the fact that I am a consipiracy theorist, be that as it may, I really believe there are some other types of dark doings that go on in those hunting grounds that you never hear about. Think about the ego of this man, his lack of participation in the "real military", the absolute evil behind his eyes and tell me some dark shit hasn't gone on in those woods. I think this shooting was an accident or you wouldn't have heard a word about it. But I do believe that he was drunk with his ol buddies and got a nervous trigger happy finger wanting to get the FIRST bird.